Sunday, January 17, 2010

Can same sex couples still marry in church?

Where same sex marriage is not legal, are same sex couples still free to have a religious ceremony? It seems logical that they would (freedom of religion) but I want to be sure. I am in a debate class and have been assigned to argue against same sex marriage (I am NOT against same sex marriage). I need logical (non religious) arguments against same sex marriage and I plan to say that the law does not violate their religious freedom because they are still free to marry in a church that tolerates same sex couples (even if union is not recognized by government). In other words, laws of man cannot stop them from being married in the eyes of God. If anyone can verify that this is true and offer any other good arguments, I would appreciate it. Thank you.Can same sex couples still marry in church?
Yes, of course. The govornment has no right to tell churches they can't have a ceremony, and many churches do. It's just the legal recognition that is missing.Can same sex couples still marry in church?
Same-sex marriage (also called gay marriage) is a legally or socially recognized marriage between two persons of the same biological sex or social gender.





Same-sex marriage is a civil rights, political, social, moral, and/or religious issue in many western nations. The conflict arises from the term ';marriage'; being used to include same-sex relationships as well as an often-overlapping government-endorsed civil status with legal benefits.





Support for same-sex marriage is often based upon what is regarded as a universal human rights issue, equality before the law, and the goal of normalizing LGBT relationships.





Opposition to same-sex marriage is often based upon the inclusion of same-sex couples in the word marriage. Other reasons may include direct and indirect social consequences of same-sex marriages, parenting concerns, freedom of religion concerns, religious grounds, tradition, and/or homophobia.
In some cases, yes, but it's not legally a marriage, and the couples in question would recieve none of the benefits nor rights associated with marriage.





The reasons same sex couples want the right to marry is to have equality. Married couples (that is, legally married) have the right to inheritance, to speak for their spouse if the spouse is unable to speak for themselves, to recieve medical information and make critical care dicisions for their spouse in a medical crisis, to have legal parental rights (in some states) with their spouses children, and have the right to adopt the spouses children, etc, etc, etc.





Some churches might perform an ecclesiastical wedding without a marriage license, but that relationship would not be, in any practical sense, the same as marriage, and thus, I think, your argument fails badly.





Still, it may be that your opponent will not have an answer for you. The thing to do is see if a UU church in any state that bans same sex marriage would agree to perform a handfasting or other sort of bonding ceremony, so that you have a bit of hard evidence to hang your hat on.
I've danced at such a wedding in Dallas, Texas a decade ago. Their pastor was very open-minded and held the ceremony in a church. It was a same-sex wedding between two women that was exactly like any other wedding as far as I can tell. Surrounded by family and friends, we all danced the night away. It was a great night.
if there is a place where same sex marriage is illegal then they wont allow it on account of knowing what it is, but if you throw a party or some celebration, nobody can stop you because they wont know what the specific ceremony or celebration is taking place for
A church may perform a marriage ceremony of a sort, but (obviously) it isn't binding upon society. There aren't many churches that will perform the ceremony, but kudos to those who do.
There are a few states that allow it. I wish the secular community saw things as you do, unfortunately they don't.
Yes, as far as churches that are tolerant of this.
short answer is:





depends on the church and their views about same sex marriage.
Well yes and no. They can say they are married but LEGALLY they are not unless the state gives them a license. So while they may have formed a union in the eyes of their religious community, the goverment still won't let them visit each other in the hospital, file jointly on tax returns, or share any of the myriad of other benefits that other married people get to have. This is all assuming of course that they can find a church willing to marry them in the first place.





I'm sorry not visit, I meant have legal standing in the hospital. IE if your partner gets sick and needs a procedure but can't give the hospital permission, neither can the partner. So if your family wants to pull the plug on you, your partner can't stop them even though in normal legal procedure the husband/wife has precedence over the parents of that individual.
That's disrespectful.





Churches are places of Christian worship and Christians are against Gay marriage.





Would you start slapping Rabbi's with pork chops in the Synagogue?





Get married, just not in a Church.

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